HE WENT AND PREACHED TO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON

This is another paper that had been on the shelf for several years.

I Peter 3:19 is the verse the title of this paper is taken from.  “He” is referring to Christ.  “Preached” is Strong’s #2784 meaning “to herald (as a public cry) espec. divine truth (the Gospel)…”  “Spirits” are spirits, and “prison” is Strong’s #5438 meaning “a guarding or (concretely guard) the act, the person, fig. The place, the condition…”

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Did you ever wonder about this verse?  I have.  It just started to go together for me in the last year as I came across certain other verse in the Bible in different places that pertained to the subject.  This is another one of the deep things of God that is slowly coming to light with lots more information to be revealed.  It would be worth the readers time to read my paper, “The Physical Creation” before reading this paper.  I’ll write this assuming the reader understands that subject.

I’ll ask the question up front.  Is the same thing going on in the angelic spirit world as in the physical world?  That question is what this whole paper revolves around.  There will be many side issues and other information discussed.  Christ was slain from the foundation of the world, Revelation 13:8.  Which world was Christ slain from its foundation?  If you have read the papers “The Physical Creation” you know the answer.  Without rewriting a lot of things covered in this paper, I will just mention two things to make a case for that point.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

There were two Garden’s of Eden, the one Adam and Eve were in and the one the being was in that later became Satan, Ezekiel 28:13-15.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

This being was perfect from the day he was created and he was the cherub that covereth, verse 14 and 15.  “Perfect” here is Strong’s #8549 meaning “entire (lit. fig. or morally) also (as a noun) integrity, truth without blemish…”  If we understand everything correctly, all angels were created perfect and this can’t be applied to humans.

Now I need to ask the question, what is the difference in being created perfect as the angels were or imperfect as humans are.  The two extremes are obvious, perfection versus imperfection.  What about the middle ground we humans flounder in?  We may have periods of times when we are perfect.  “Sin free” is what I will call perfect.  That seems to be God’s definition, Ezekiel 28:15.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Are there times when angels fall from their perfect state?  If you think not, what can you say about I Peter 3:19?  Green’s Greek to English Interlinear translates that as follows, “in which also to the prison spirits going he proclaimed to disobeying ones then.”  The word “spirits” here is Strong’s #4151 meaning “a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or breeze by anal. or fig. a spirit…”  That is the same word for spirit in I Corinthians 15:45.

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

What did we just read?  We have disobedient spirits in jail.  Isn’t that interesting?  We have disobedient humans in jailAre some of these laws they broke the same?  Murder for instant, John 8:44.  Satan created murder.  He created lust and he created lies.  Who did he murder?  Who did he lie to?  What did he lust after?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He murdered other angels.  Who else could he have murdered?  He lied to other angels and no doubt Christ and the Father when called on the carpet about it.  What did he lust after?  We’ll look at these three categories later in more detail.

One of the things that he lusted after was the Father’s position.  Study Isaiah 14:12-20 carefully, especially verse 13.  These verses are talking on a spirit level not human.  This is speaking of a spirit earth.  “Man” in verse 16 is Strong’s #376, the same word used in Daniel 9:21 for Gabriel.  Revelation 5:3 adds to that also.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

I would also recommend that you read my paper on the “Terrible of the Nations,” for a lot more in depth look at the spirit being scenario.

Is sin the same whether committed by an angel who was created perfect or by a human that was created imperfect?  If sin can be forgiven in a human could it be forgiven in an angel?  Yes, if repentance was forthcoming by both parties.  What I’m saying is the state of the creation of the being has nothing to do with how they act later.  Dare we think that an angel could not be forgiven if he had sinned?   I would think that it is spiritually insane to think that way.  To cover sins, it takes Christ’s sacrifice.

So, go back to my original question.  Is the same thing going on in the angelic world as the human world?  Are there sinning angelic beings that need forgiveness though Christ’s sacrifice?  Since murder was created in the spirit angelic realm by Satan, I think we would be naïve to think he was the only angel that committed murder.  So, was Christ slain from the foundation of the angelic world not the foundation of the human world as we have assumed for so long?  Are the righteous angels having to prove to Christ and the Father on a daily basis that they will stay righteous?  Just as we have to live and prove our Christianity on a daily basis?  Are there incorrigible fallen angels just as Judas was apparently incorrigible, Matthew 26:24-25?

Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

Revelation 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Are these four apparently fallen angels incorrigible?  Are they some who Christ went and preached to in prison?  Were they possibly used by Satan to murder other angels?  Is that why they are held captive by Christ and the Father? Is that the reason they are used to kill a third part of men?  Do they have skill in the act of murder?  So when Christ went and preached to the spirits in prison what did he say, I Peter 3:19.  Review the definition of “preached” on page one first paragraph.  Did he offer them a way to repent through his sacrifice so they could have their sins forgiven?  Weren’t these sinning angels doomed without any hope of forgiveness until Christ died for them also.  I would ask the question, are there three categories of angels?  The righteous and still perfect, the incorrigible like Satan and possibly the one third of all angels mentioned in Revelation 12:3-4 and the one’s in the middle who are caught up in various sins, but through Christ’s sacrifice have a chance to pull it out.

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

I need to inject a point here.  Angels are not self-existent.  Neither will sons and daughters of God be self-existent either.

Go to Revelation 22:1.  Study closely Revelation 21 and you will see that this is speaking of a time when everything is spirit.  But still, Revelation 22:1-2 speaks of water of life.  This water of life grows fruit.  If you have read “The Physical Creation” papers, you know that this water of life grows other things also.  The reason that it is called water of life is that it imparts life.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The Father and Christ are the only ones who are self-existing.  The rest of us, angels, sons and daughters of God have to access the water of life to exist.

Take another look at the murder issue.  Just as humans will not let a habitual killer run at large is it logical to think that the Father and Christ would let a habitual or serial angel killer run at large?  No it isn’t.  I ask you again, if Satan created murder is he the only one who has murdered?  Cain killed Able.  Did it stop with Cain?  Let’s not kid ourselves.  There were rules to go by in the spirit world just as we have rules in the human society.  Go back to Isaiah 14:12-20.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

This is talking on a spirit level.  Lucifer is a spirit being, no human could seriously pretend to ascend to heaven and be like the most High.  If you read the three papers mentioned earlier, you can see this is speaking of a spirit world and if the Bible is our guide, it certainly looks like our physical world.  Notice in verse 12, that this spirit earth had nations.  Verse 14 says it had clouds.  Verses 16 and 17show that it had fear destruction, cities and it also had prisoners.  “Prisoners” is Strong’s #615 meaning “bound i.e. a captive (those which are) bound, prisoner.”  Sounds a lot like our society doesn’t it?  If we are to believe John 8:44, that Satan created murder, lust, lying, it’s a small thing for me to believe that he and the other fallen angels created the other sins and evils we see around us today.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here again, it is no big thing for Satan and his henchmen to translate their sin and thoughts to us unsuspecting humans.

The context here seems to indicate that these prisoners are not the criminal type, but prisoner of war.  Is this some that Christ preached to and promised deliverance?  Is this a Hitler and Jew scenario?  It is well within the realm of possibility to think that Satan took whole nations captive.  “Weaken” in verse 12 is Strong’s #2522 meaning “to prostrate, by impl. to overthrow…”  After all, the physical Pharaoh held the physical nation of Israel captive.  It is easy to see that Pharaoh, the great dragon, could do so, Ezekiel 29:3.  After all, he may well be tied with Michael and Gabriel for the position of fourth most powerful being in the cosmos.  There is at least one angel more powerful than Satan, Revelation 20:1-2.

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years…

Isaiah 14:18-20 also gets into the murder issue.  These spirit nations had kings over them, angelic kings.  Satan was a king, Revelation 9:11.  Michael was a king or general of some sort, Revelation 12:7.  If Satan is the father of lies, murder, and lust, he is also the father of wars.  What we see in the world today is no doubt patterned after what happened in the spirit or angelic world.

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Notice that there are graves of those thrust through with the sword.  If a physical sword will kill you when it is thrust through a human body, would not a spirit sword do the same to a spirit being?  In verse 20, thou=Lucifer=Satan, won’t get the honor of a grave and burial.  God has another fate for him, Ezekiel 28:18.  Review verses 12-17 to clarify that here, again, Satan is the being under discussion.  Is this a hard concept for you to accept?  That what we see in our world today had it’s origins in an angelic world?  God is the same today, yesterday, and forever.  That’s what His Word says in Hebrews 13:8.

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

So, the same old question comes up.  Why?  Why this?  Why that?  Why did God let little Tommy die?  Why Osama Bin Laden?  Why the World Trade Towers in New York?  Today is October 21, 2001, almost six weeks after that atrocity.  If God is the same today, as he was yesterday, he sits in the fringes and lets it happen and just intervenes to make adjustments as needed to meet his goals.

Are there prisoners of that angelic war being held today?  It says that he opened not the house of the prisoners.  Let’s not forget I Corinthians 10:11.  The Bible is written for us.  Are these prisoners of this angelic war waiting on deliverance just like the end time Christians are waiting on the wake up call, Matthew 25:5-6?  Like it or not, believe it or not, if you are an end time Christian, according to Matthew 25:5 you have been asleep.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

“Examples” is Strong’s #5179: “a die (as struck), i.e. (by impl.) a stamp or scar; by anal. a shape, i.e. statue, (fig.) style or resemblance; spec. a sampler (“type“), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).”

Zodhiates’ Complete Word Study New Testament says: “type, as a constituent element of a parable or model of some reality which was yet to appear, a prototype of that which was yet to be developed and evolved.

“Admonition” is Strong’s #3559: “calling attention to, i.e. (by impl.) mild rebuke or warning.”

“World” is Strong’s #165: “prop. an age; by extens. perpetuity (also past); by impl. the world; spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end).”

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

What about these righteous angelic kings and other angels who are in their graves having been killed by the forces of evil?  Aren’t they dead in Christ?  If they died in righteousness, fighting for God’s way, are they any different than Paul, Peter, John, James, or any of the regular Christians who have lived and died since the creation of God’s church?  Aren’t they all dead in Christ waiting for the first resurrection?

Is this a hard concept for you?  Stop and think.  In all probability, in the process of creating murder Satan probably killed a pro-God angel like Cain killed Able, who was a godly man.  Will these pro-God angels never exist again, just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time?  The people in the World trade Centers on September 11th, were in the wrong place at the wrong time and they will live again.

When you get into the depths of this, the creation of humans in sin and the creation of angels in perfection, it doesn’t seem that spirit life versus the physical life is all that is different.  It looks like from God’s word that actions in the physical and spiritual are the same concerning sin.  The only big difference is the starting point.

According to God’s word this concept that Herbert W. Armstrong taught that spirit beings can’t be killed is pure garbage.  Satan can and will be killed by this mighty God, who inhabits eternity in righteousness.  Study Ezekiel 28:12-18.  This was the cherub that covereth (apparently God’s throne), verse 14.  He was in the spirit Eden, the Garden of God, verse 13 and he shall be turned to ashes, verse 18.

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

“Devour” in verse 18 is Strong’s #398 meaning “to eat (lit or fig)- x at all, burn up, consume, devour…”  This means dead.  Verse 19 says he will exist no more.

If you start in Ezekiel 28:1, you will see that this whole chapter, at least through verse 19 is on a spirit level.  This prince of Tyrus apparently second in command under Satan is under a death threat also in verse 9.  There has already been other angelic deaths also probably righteous and unrighteous, verse 8.  This phrase in the midst of the seas raises the question in my mind.  Was there hand to hand combat on the sea of glass at the Father’s throne area?

Ezekiel 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.  9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Rev 4:5  And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.  6  And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Let’s carry this concept a little further that Satan created murders, war, dead angels, and other sins and compare it to what we know God has in store for humans.  We know from God’s word that Satan will be put in the bottomless pit for 1000 years and humans will be free from his influence, or at least the power he exerts.  The people who live over into the millennium will take the influence of Satan’s ways with them.  Will they overcome it and cast it aside or share it with others is the unanswered question.

Didn’t the angelic beings, all being created perfect and before Satan went bad, have their millennium for who knows how many thousands of years at the beginning rather than like you and me, at the end?  What I’m saying is that for some time they had a Satan-free existence.  It may have not been for a long period of time, John 8:44.  Notice it says from the beginning.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

But that leads us to another concept that has to be dealt with, The White Throne Judgment.  We have no way of knowing how many angels were killed in the destruction described in Isaiah 14:12-20. Was this a surprise attack?  To some degree it had to be a surprise, since none of the righteous angels had experienced war.  I am assuming that these verses describe the first incident.  They had dwelt in peace all their lives, since they were created and had never known Satan as we do.  If they were killed in their innocence won’t they have to be resurrected at the White Throne Judgment or some other time to live a period of time knowing Satan’s influence in order to prove to Christ and the Father which way they will go?

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

In reality, if we understand it right, that’s what happens to humans at the White Throne time.  My mom and dad never had the Holy Spirit and never really knew Christ.  What it says in II Peter 3:10-13 tends to make me think it might be simultaneous.  We will eventually see for sure.  Regardless, I have to believe that, after all is said and done, there are angels in their graves who haven’t had the fair chance that humans will have, if we understand the Millennium and White Throne period correctly.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Look back to the title of the paper.  Are there spirits in prison who have yet to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt which way they will go?  Aren’t all the people who will come up in the White Throne Judgment in the prison of the grave?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Christ suffered once for sins.  Is there a difference in angel sin and human sin?  Isn’t sin against God regardless of who commits it?  Sin was created by Satan. Lying, lusting, and murder are the three named.  It most certainly goes without saying that there was some sort of evolution process as evil thoughts and actions bred even worse thoughts and actions.

As evil evolved with Satan at the helm, was the concept of terrorism born?  Are there acts of terrorism being carried out today in the angelic world just as it is today in the physical world?  If you read the papers mentioned earlier, you will understand that they angelic world is much like our world today in commerce, farming, etc.  It’s not hard for me to imagine that the angelic world could be much like ours, under attack, under siege from Satan and his demons constantly.  Are the acts of terrorism that we see in human society today patterned after acts that have been planned or executed in the angelic world, just not to the exact sameness because of the difference in spirit and flesh, but generally speaking?

Satan’s’ ultimate goal is to take it all, Isaiah 14:13-14.  Change the angelic world to his way of thinking and no doubt kill every being in his way.  Don’t think for a second that he wouldn’t kill God if he could.

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

We see the same attitude being displayed out here on the physical earth, October 2001.  These terrorists are out to bring the world into subjection to their way of thinking and kill everyone in their way.  Their cause is greater than human life or anything else.  This makes the terrorist situation in the US and other parts of the world hard to deal with.

In reality this is a move from Satan to shut down the true church so we cannot do the end time work.  No freedom to move throughout the world equals no work which equals no people turned to salvation.  Let’s examine a method used by terrorists, suicide.  There are suicide bombers in the Middle East constantly.  The suicide of the highjackers destroyed four planes here in the US.  Where did this concept come from?  Well, it had to come from the father of lies, Satan.  Supposedly these hijackers of the four planes in the US got to go straight to heaven when they died.  There they had seventy virgins waiting on them as their reward for killing themselves.  Only Satan could be behind this sick idea to murder your way into heaven.  When you understand demons and Satan and the power they have over humans, this is easy to understand.  Most church people don’t grasp this today as we are still sleeping, Matthew 25:5.

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Once this cry at midnight starts to sound, Matthew 25:6, we will start to wake up.  Waking up means opening the eyes.  We will be aghast at the slavery we have been under.  We will see how much our lives have been dominated by Satan and his demons.  A demon or Satan simply takes over the humans, takes away the fear of death, puts the idea of some phony reward in their mind and thus have them ready to die for the cause just like the Moslem suicide bombers in recent news.

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

II Timothy 2:26 is no joke.  It applies to every human on earth unless God spares them from it on occasion.  It seems to me that terror attacks, war, etc., to some degree could be ongoing in the angelic world just like it is here on this earth.

2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Did Isaiah 14:16-18 all happen in one event or is it ongoing?  I doubt it all happened in one event and that there has been peace ever after.

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

“Violence” is Strong’s #2555 meaning “violence, wrong unjust gain, cruelty…”  This seems to indicate to me that this violence is on going.  Terrorist attacks by suicide demons could be going on this very day.  Would God allow it? Why not?  He allows it among humans, why not angels.  Sin is sin and murder is murder, whether spirit or flesh.

The Bible gives us some info on how Satan could manage to have demons commit acts of terror among angels as they, the demons, commit acts of terror through humans against other humans.  There is no doubt an intimidation factor over demons, just as there is in humans.  Bullying is what it is called in schools and it almost always has a power factor involved, physical strength most of the time in schools and in lots of cases there is an age factor also.  In humans, younger usually equals less power.

I’m sure there is an age factor among angels.  I doubt if every angel was created at the same instant.  It was probably over a period of time, possibly a long period.  I doubt that age would have anything to do with power in the angelic world, but it sure would with wisdom.

Those in the Muslim world who practice terrorism also practice child sacrifice, but not in the sense that we commonly think about it.  If I have the right information a male child is taught from an early age what a great thing it is to die for the cause and the great rewards that they will get if they die for the cause.  By the time this male child is a young man, with the indoctrination he has received all his life, he is ready to be a martyr for the cause.  Thus they have trained a suicide bomber or some other method of bringing death and destruction to themselves and others.

There is no reason that this can’t work in the demon world with some minor twist to it.  Education, intimidation, promise of reward could make demons do it.  Satan is right among the top beings in the universe in power.  As near as I can tell, he is tied for fourth place.  Educating and intimidating other demons into becoming homicide bombers, murderers, etc. would not be a problem for Satan.  He tempts them with the promise of rewards for murdering their way into Heaven!!!

Satan may very well be in third place right under Christ and the Father in influence.  Remember Satan’s goal is to take it all, including the Father’s place, Isaiah 14:13-14.  With this lofty goal, Satan would have access to lots of rewards for his cohorts if they succeed, just as the hijackers of those four planes on September 11th, 2001 were promised that at their death they would instantly go to heaven and have their seventy virgins waiting on them.  To me that says having seventy sex slaves for eternity.  Remember how women are treated in the Muslim world?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Use your own imagination.  If you took over the Father’s place, what would you have access to use and give away?  We need to realize and understand the hierarchy system in the demon world.  We can get that knowledge form what God has written for us about the physical Pharaoh and his hierarchy.  Look at just one example at that in Exodus 9:20-21.

Exodus 9:20 He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses:

21 And he that regarded not the word of the LORD left his servants and his cattle in the field.

Pharaoh’s servants had servants of their own so they had their pecking order.  It makes me wonder if there was such a thing as street demons like we have street people.  So Satan has access to plenty of less fortunate demons and can through manipulation use them for his purposes just as we see in this physical society.

Let’s start to look at the actual influence of Satan that God gave him but he perverted it to use it against God.  Go to Ezekiel 29:3.  We are dealing with Pharaoh King of Egypt, the great dragon and the Bible is written for the end time Christians, I Corinthians 10:11.  There is no change in the subject matter, Pharaoh, king of Egypt, the great dragon, from Ezekiel 29:1 through the end of chapter 32.  Also the first 19 verses of chapter 28 are talking of Satan and one of his princes.

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Review 1 Corinthians 10:11 again.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

“Examples” is Strong’s #5179: “a die (as struck), i.e. (by impl.) a stamp or scar; by anal. a shape, i.e. statue, (fig.) style or resemblance; spec. a sampler (“type“), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).”

Zodhiates’ Complete Word Study New Testament says: “type, as a constituent element of a parable or model of some reality which was yet to appear, a prototype of that which was yet to be developed and evolved.”

“Admonition” is Strong’s #3559: “calling attention to, i.e. (by impl.) mild rebuke or warning.”

“World” is Strong’s #165: “prop. an age; by extens. perpetuity (also past); by impl. the world; spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end).”

Look at Ezekiel 29:3.  This is a spirit application, not physical because God is speaking of the great dragon, Satan, Revelation 20:2.  This starts to tell us about the angelic world and some of the thought processes of Satan. Satan was in the spiritual Garden of Eden, Ezekiel 28:13.

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Satan dwelled in the midst of the rivers.  There was a river that went out from the physical Garden of Eden and branched into four heads or smaller rivers.  This is where Satan’s home was in the spirit world, Egypt.  At least he worked or spent part of his time in the Garden of Eden.  “River” in Ezekiel 29:3 is Strong’s #2975 meaning “a channel, e.g. a fosse canal, shaft, spec. the Nile as the one river in Egypt…”

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Satan is making a claim here that really gets him in trouble.  Satan is claiming a river that belongs to God and also claiming to have made or created it.  What’s going on here?  Isn’t the physical Nile River in Egypt a river of life to Egypt?  What God is describing here in this angelic world is his river of life and Satan is claiming that it is his and he created it, Revelation 22:1.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

This river wouldn’t be called a river of life if it did not impart life.  If spirit beings were self-existent they would not need to partake of this river of life.  Christ and the Father are the only ones who are self-existent.  The rest of the spirit world, angels, and sons and daughters of God will have to access this water of life.  Now you can start to see the power that Satan has over his demon world.

Does Satan have most of or the entire demon world convinced that he is the source of life?  If God allows him to control a portion of this river of life, and dole out it’s life giving foods, Revelation 22:1, over time, won’t the general demon population start to believe that Satan is god?  It is easy for me to see how even marginal angels could be swayed to Satan’s way of thinking.  Especially if God stays way back on the sidelines in dealing with them like he does with humans.

Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 would tend to shoot that theory down, but a legitimate question could be asked.  Was this meeting forced attendance?  Are there marginal angels there that could go either way?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

So it is easy enough to see that when Christ went to preach to the spirits in prison that there was literal prisons, places of confinement and angels could also be in a prison of intimidation, mind control, or brainwashed.

Matthew 25:5 makes a bold statement to that effect concerning humans.  If you are a virgin in the end time, you are asleep, period.  So, we human Christians are in prison.  With Satan’s claim that the river of life is his and God not contesting it openly yet, Satan could wield massive power over less powerful beings though force or cajoling, intimidation, deception, brain washing, etc.

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

So to come up with an angelic suicide bomber would be no problem for Satan.  This makes Isaiah 14:13-14 a whole lot clearer.  Here again I have to wonder, being human, why God doesn’t zap Satan and the demons and get it over with.  But that is just not the way he does it.  He lets things roar along at the speed of a crippled snail and humans with our obvious short life spans tend to be really impatient.  I am certainly one of the worst of these.  You certainly need to read the paper “The Terrible of the Nations” for more understanding of this chapter Ezekiel 28 and surrounding chapters.

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Continuing in Ezekiel 29:9-10.

Ezekiel 29:9 And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it.

10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia.

God again makes the accusation against Satan that he claims the river of life is his and claims to have made it.  Satan’s claim to own the river of life and to have created it certainly has great ramifications in the angelic world depending on how great his ability is to influence other angelic being.  What if a lot of the angels-turned-demons were a thousand years younger than Satan?  He could present a good case for creating the river of life for them.

He could make all kinds of promises to other demons and marginal angels about what will happen to them.  The good things to satisfy his “volunteers” lusts or the bad things he could bring crashing down on his subjects.  Remember he is a king.  For instance, he could imprison and take away the prisoners access to any of the river of life’s products, and thus starve the non-conforming demon.

I had a series of events in my life over a period of the last several years.  I’ll call them demon events.  I started to learn how to deal with demons in my life personally about four years ago.  I started to realize that, “this circumstance, this scenario that is happening to me is not time and chance.  There are other factors here.”  This is late October 2001.  Today as I continue to write papers long hand, there is no one in my life that I can have type them at twelve dollars per hour, I mean no one.  By that I mean church members.  I don’t necessarily want to contract with unconverted people to type and put these on Solid Rock Peoples’ webpage.

Back to the point.  As I started to recognize demon activity I went to the Bible to see what to do about it.  Recognizing the demon’s action is the first step to dealing with them.  To this day God has given me no power to deal with a demon in any other person, except if that person touches me directly.

I’ll just use one example of dealing with demons in my life, my cell phone.  This was a place where they had great recreation and this is what harassing humans is to them.  A verse in Matthew makes this clear, Matthew 12:43.  I have covered it in many other papers.  I’ll cut to the chase as they say.  I would cast a demon out of my cell phone, get the desired results, and usually not later than the next day, or even the same day, the same thing would happen.  So, my first reaction is God is not backing up his word.  How can you have faith in God’s word if he does not back it up?  This went on for months, God did not fix the problem.  Sometimes it would take as much as three hours for a demon to obey.  That caused me to doubt also.

Matthew 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

“Rest” is Strong’s #372 meaning, “intermission; by impl. recreation – rest…”  Luke 11:24 says the same thing.

I expected instant or almost instant obedience from demons, but this was not the case. Now I don’t expect instant obedience all the time, but for the most part it was, though.  I had learned from studying God’s word that going to the bottomless pit is what a demon fears most, jail, in other words.  I’ve learned since September 11th, 2001, that the terrorists involved fear going to jail more than death according to a commentary I saw on TV.

So as I continued to scramble this information around in my brain, it started to make sense that demons would prefer to die rather than go to jail in the bottomless pit.  There was a period of time, maybe up to a year, during which I would ask God to execute these demons right here in my yard.  God gives us this ability if we believe his word.  I’ve covered this in other papers also.

Still the demon problems kept coming with no let up.  It sure made me doubt God’s word.  Many times in prayers in anger I accused God of not backing up his word.  The promises are clear, yet the results were an endless string of demon attacks for months and then years.

What I needed was more understanding when I was making this accusation against God.  Understanding the suicide bomber principle sure explained a lot of things to me.  With Satan’s access and claim to the river of life and all the doors it opens for him in convincing the demons to give their life for the cause makes me understand that God was backing his word up all the time.  I just had a missing dimension of knowledge.

My first thoughts were that there was an intimidation factor involved in the demon hierarchy and this very well may be true to some degree.  I’m glad to say now, late October 2001 that the demon harassment is probably down by 90% in my life.  Looking back from November 2005, that was just a short lull.  My response now is I command the demon in Jesus Christ’s name to go to the bottomless pit and then I ask God to put them in solitary confinement and to take away all access to the river of life with no food, no water, death by starvation.  These demons would do the same to me.

Let’s continue in Ezekiel 29:9-10.  After this side excursion when you are dealing with demons let nothing slide.  Never say, “Well, it was time and chance.”  It could have been, but it also could have been a demon.  Notice in verse 10, this great dragon, this Pharaoh, king has a land.  It is called Egypt.  It has to be a spirit land.  Read my paper “The Terrible of the Nations” for more information on this subject.

Ezekiel 29:9 And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it.

Ezekiel 29:10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia.

Notice also in verse 10 that Satan has rivers or control over water.  “Thy rivers” is Strong’s #2975 meaning “a channel, e.g. fosse, canal, shaft, espec. the Nile as the one river in Egypt…”  Just as the physical Nile is the river of life that flows through Egypt to this day, canals and irrigation ditches siphon this water of life off to give life to the parched earth.  Apparently the same thing is true in the angelic Spirit Egypt.

The river of life that comes from the throne of the Father and Christ flows through this spirit Egypt, Revelation 22:1.  Did Lucifer, before he was Satan, siphon off or divert water of life from this river of life to supply the needs of the spirit agriculture system in the spirit Egypt?

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Wouldn’t this river of life flow through all the angelic nations and then irrigation ditches were constructed to get their life giving water to this spirit soil to produce the food and drink for the angelic world.  As time went on and sin and vanity took over Satan, he not only claimed his irrigation ditches, but the river of life also.  As we start to understand how much influence Satan had concerning the river of life, things will be clearer.

In Ezekiel 29:4 God acknowledges Satan’s ownership of rivers or canals.  Revelation 12:15 gives us more information about Satan’s control over water.  In Ezekiel 30:12, God threatens to dry up the canals of life.

Ezekiel 29:4 But I will put hooks in thy jaws, and I will cause the fish of thy rivers to stick unto thy scales, and I will bring thee up out of the midst of thy rivers, and all the fish of thy rivers shall stick unto thy scales.

Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Ezekiel 30:12 And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste, and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers: I the LORD have spoken it.

Let’s get a closer look at Satan’s influence.  To start with, he is a king and must have been created to a kings position, Revelation 9:2-3,7-8,10.  Also at this point in history, he is the god of this world, II Corinthians 4:4.  Notice in Ezekiel 28 the influence that Satan must have wielded by his position, or job and his looks and intellect.  He was full of wisdom, perfect in beauty; he was in the spirit Garden of Eden.  He was perfect in his ways, Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Revelation 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

What a spectacular being Satan must have been while he was righteous.  In one sense, Satan is himself a prisoner, even though he has power and limited freedom now.  He is a prisoner to this death sentence that the Father and Christ have put him under, Ezekiel 28:18-19.

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

He is to be burned to spirit ashes and never to exist anymore.  We need to digress a little to take a look at what God says in his word about what was probably the start of Satan’s’ downfall.  This is the crux of the beef that the Father and Christ have with Satan, and with his great power, influence, beauty, and wisdom, etc. going to his head.  It started a chain of events that affects each human and angel to this day.

Satan had the audacity to start thinking and actually claiming that the river of life was his and that he had created it, Ezekiel 29:3.  Notice that the great dragon dwelt in the midst of the rivers and he claimed God’s river of life saying “my river (actually God’s) is mine own.”  Now, go to Genesis 2:9-10.

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. 10 And a river went out ofEden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

From the physical Garden of Eden, a river of life went out (physical life) and divided into four rivers.  Did this same thing happen in the angelic world and the spirit Garden of Eden?  Is that why it says the great dragon lieth in the midst of the rivers?  “Lieth” is Strong’s #7257 meaning “to crouch (on all four legs folded like a recumbent animal) to recline, repose…”

Ezekiel 28:12-14 tells us that Satan or the great dragon was in a spirit Eden.  This description certainly does not apply to a physical being.  Also in Ezekiel 29:3, “river” is Strong’s #2975 meaning “a channel, e.g. a fosse (canal) shaft, spec. the Nile…”

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

So, just as the Nile River today is a river of life to the physical Egypt, the river of life from God’s throne flowed through the spirit land of Egypt.

Notice also in Ezekiel 29:4, God gives Satan credit for “thy rivers.”  Revelation 22:1-2 makes it very plain that the Father and Christ are the source of this water of life.  Did Satan or Pharaoh the great dragon, build diversion ditches or canals to send this river of water of life from God’s throne to other areas of his domain?

Ezekiel 29:4 But I will put hooks in thy jaws, and I will cause the fish of thy rivers to stick unto thy scales, and I will bring thee up out of the midst of thy rivers, and all the fish of thy rivers shall stick unto thy scales.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Here in Colorado, in the American West, irrigation ditches or canals are diverted from these rivers of physical life that flow out of the Rocky Mountains.  The precious water is delivered to farmland, which produces abundant crops with it, but without this water, the land is pretty barren most years.  Was the great dragon the first angelic being to create his own river by tapping the river of life with a diversion ditch?

Regardless of the exact procedure Satan used, this claiming of the River of Life is or was somewhere at the bottom of Satan’s original problems of going bad.  It is easy to see the influence that Satan could muster by swinging a deal like this.  The angels are obviously free moral agents free to choose which way of life they will follow.

Since Satan is a king, wouldn’t he have subjects under him?  Couldn’t he control how much water of life they obtain?  This influence of the great dragon is backed up by power, as mentioned earlier.  He may well be tied with Michael, Gabriel and other archangels for the fourth most powerful beings that exist.

We need to realize that the angelic world apparently operates much like the physical world today.  Satan as king has power to have prisoners (and God allows it), Isaiah 14:17.  Read the surrounding verse 12-20 to see that this is speaking of an angel being not physical.  The great dragon would certainly have power and influence to regulate how much water of life the prisoners obtained.

Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Don’t forget that the water of life comes in other forms also, like bread, wine, beef, fruits, and no doubt other food staples that spirit beings have to access to exist.  It is easy to see how other angels, if somewhat marginal, could start to look at Satan as a god.

I think it is safe to think that just as the Father and Christ more or less just sit on the sidelines and let it happen among humans and just intervene when absolutely necessary.  The same thing happens in the spirit world. Ezekiel 29:6, 9, 16 implies there is a question in their minds of who is God.  Ezekiel 29:9 again indicts Satan as claiming the river if life.

Ezekiel 29:6 And all the inhabitants of Egypt shall know that I am the LORD, because they have been a staff of reed to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 29:9 And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it.

Ezekiel 29:16 And it shall be no more the confidence of the house of Israel, which bringeth their iniquity to remembrance, when they shall look after them: but they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

This same question of who is God is mentioned in Ezekiel 30:8, 19, 25-26.

Ezekiel 30:8 And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have set a fire in Egypt, and when all her helpers shall be destroyed.

Ezekiel 30:19 Thus will I execute judgments in Egypt: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 30:25 But I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the arms of Pharaoh shall fall down; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall put my sword into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out upon the land of Egypt. 26 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Notice what God says in Ezekiel 31:2.  Doesn’t God admit that Pharaoh King of Egypt the great dragon has greatness?  “Greatness” is Strong’s #1433 meaning “magnitude (lit or fig) – greatness…”

Ezekiel 31:2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

Ezekiel 31:4 tells us what made Satan great.  It was the waters.  The deep set him on high.  “Deep” is Strong’s #8415 meaning an abyss (as a surging mass of water) espec. the deep…

Ezekiel 31:4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

The source of the “deep” is described in Revelation 22:1.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

“Proceeding” is Strong’s #1607 meaning “to depart, be discharged, proceed…”  An abyss certainly indicates an endless supply of this living water, a bottomless well.

“Rivers” in Ezekiel 31:4 is Strong’s #5104 meaning “a stream (including the sea), espc. the Nile, Euphrates, etc…”  Verse 5 tells us more of why the great dragon was so influential.  It was because of the multitude of living water that God gave him, “the products” also.

Ezekiel 31:5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

Verse 6, great angelic nations dwelt under influence.  A shadow certainly influences the thing it touches or covers.

Ezekiel 31:6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

Verse 7 “fair” is Strong’s #3302 meaning “to be bright, i.e. (by impl.) beautiful…”  God tells us that the length of Satan’s influences was great over other angelic beings and nations as he uses the tree as a comparison.

Ezekiel 31:7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

Verse 8-10 continues this same theme of Pharaoh king of Egypt the great dragon’s influence and greatness.  Verse 8 and 9 are two of the main verse that make me think Satan may be in third place behind Christ and the Father ininfluence, not power.  There is at least one angel that is greater in raw power than Satan, Revelation 20:1-3.  Notice that this angel needs no help in man handling Satan.

Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Ezekiel 31:14-18 shows us that all the demons, angels gone bad, will eventually be killed.  It also shows us that they are dependent of this water of life, just as physical humans are dependent on physical water of life.

Ezekiel 31:14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.

15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.

16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Notice the phrase “all that drink water” in verse 14 and 16, also the last sentence of verse 18. This is Satan and his demons.  There is no change in the subject of these chapters from Ezekiel 29:1 to the end of chapter 32.  Ezekiel 32:2 gives more indication that the river of life was at the root of Satan’s downfall.  Can we start to see that many of the things going on in the physical world are imitations of things happening in the angelic world?

Ezekiel 32:2 Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.

Should we even think of that as being strange since sin, murder, lust, greed, etc. originate in the angelic world and certainly continue in the physical world.  That certainly should be easy to grasp since Satan is the god of this world.

I want to revisit some of the concepts discussed in the first few pages of this paper and carry the possible ramification a little further.  Sin is sin, whether in an angelic being or a physical being.  If that is true, then sin can only be forgiven by Christ and his sacrifice.

The starting point of where a being comes into existence, perfect for angels, imperfect for humans has nothing to do with how the being ends up.  The starting point is a mute point.  Sin is sin.  John 8:44 makes that clear.  What applies in the angelic world applies in the physical.  Only Christ’s sacrifice, his shed blood can cover our sins.  So Christ was slain from the time of the original sins by Satan to provide a way of forgiveness.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Since sin is sin, regardless of who commits it, and Christ is the way to have your sins covered, I want to ask some questions.  Some I will dwell on, some I will leave to your minds.

  1. Do the Ten Commandments apply to the angelic world just like it does to the physical world?It would have to.
  1. Does the death penalty apply for non-forgiven sins?You bet it does.  It applies to Satan.  Study Ezekiel 28:1-19.  This is talking of spirit beings.

Ezekiel 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

  1. So angels will have to be Christians, just like humans, “Christ-like.”
  1. Won’t righteous angels be assaulted daily by Satan like we are?
  1. Won’t they have to overcome like we do?
  1. Will there not be any number of angels that sin and repent like humans?
  1. Won’t they have to take the Passover like we do?
  1. Won’t they have to do unleavened bread like we do?Spirit beings do eat bread, remember, Luke 14:15.

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

  1. Won’t the angels need to keep Pentecost?Will they not need the Holy Spirit in their mind just as we do to keep from sinking to Satan’s level?  Angels are spirit, but they aren’t Holy Spirit.
  1. Won’t they have to keep Atonement just like we do?To become at one with God again after all they do eat and drink as we covered earlier, Matthew 22:2, 4.

Matthew 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Matthew 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

  1. What about Trumpets?Is that a Holy Day the angelic world does yearly just as we do?
  1. If that is the day of the year that Christ returns, as it has been speculated, Christ would be making sure to usher in the millennium.

Let’s dwell on this concept awhile.  In Isaiah 14:12-20 this is clearly speaking of spirit beings.  Notice the carnage, the destruction, the death, in verse 16-20.  “Man” in verse 16 is Strong’s #376 the same word used to describe Gabriel in Daniel 9:21.  This description of a spirit earth can be applied to today’s physical earth.  We are used to the ideas and concepts explained here.  Kingdoms trembling in our wars, prisons full of prisoners, cities destroyed, kings of nations dead, humans murdered in wars. In verse 19 a spirit sword would certainly kill a spirit being when thrust through just as a physical sword would.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Spirit beings have blood.  No flesh and bones, but there is a spirit body with blood. Notice Ezekiel 32:6.  Remember this is still speaking of Pharaoh king of Egypt the great dragon, Ezekiel 29:3 through chapter 32.  “Blood” is Strong’s #1818 meaning “blood (as that which when is shed causes death)…”  Spirit limbs can break also.  Notice what God will do to Satan in Ezekiel 30:21-22, 24.

Ezekiel 32:6 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.

Ezekiel 30:21 Son of man, I have broken the arm of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and, lo, it shall not be bound up to be healed, to put a roller to bind it, to make it strong to hold the sword. 22 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and will break his arms, the strong, and that which was broken; and I will cause the sword to fall out of his hand.

Ezekiel 30:24 And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in his hand: but I will break Pharaoh’s arms, and he shall groan before him with the groanings of a deadly wounded man.

I will just toss out a couple of ideas for you to think about here.  1. What are God’s thoughts on what we would consider torture in certain cases?  2.  Is there a connection between Christ not having any bones broken at his crucifixion and if memory serves me right, the Passover lamb could have no bone broken.  Spirits having blood, but no bones or flesh.  Is the connection blood?  Is this the common thread between angels and humans and forgiveness of sin, etc.?

Go to Revelation 14:8 and 18:2.  Did Christ make a mistake here?  “Is fallen, is fallen,” or is he speaking of the physical system as well as the Satan and demon system? “Babylon” is Strong’s #897 meaning “Babylon, capital ofChaldea (lit or fig) (as a type of tyranny)…”  Satan being the god of this world sure produces a lot of tyranny.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

I want to go to Revelation 19:11-16.  Here we have Christ and an army of angels, verse 14.  “Armies” is Strong’s #4753 meaning “an armament, i.e. a body of troops (more or less extensive or systematic) – army, soldier, man of war.” We understand this to be connected to the day of the Lord, the great battle that ushers in the millennium.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.  13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Continue in Revelation 20:1-3, where Satan is bound and put in the bottomless pit.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

I’ve got a major question about this army following Christ.  By their very nature, armies are made up or assembled to fight.  This angelic army was riding on horses.

Now go to Zechariah 14:2-4, 13-14.  Study verses 5-11 on your own.  This is also commonly accepted as the battle of the millennium, verse 16, that ushers the millennium in.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

In verse 12, this word “consume” is Strong’s #4743 meaning “to melt, fig. To flow dwindle, vanish-consume away-be corrupt, dissolve, pine away.”  We think this is a multiple million man army just kind of stands there and melts away like ice cream on a hot day.  If a human was melting, it would probably acquire a reddish look.  Have we mistakenly applied this to Revelation 14:20?  Let’s take a closer look.

Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

“Blood” here is Strong’s #129 meaning “blood, lit. (of men or animals)…”

Go back to Zechariah 14:12.  Christ used a plague here to cause this army to melt.  This melting flesh is not what it is talking about in Revelation 14:20.  It is speaking of blood.  Let’s be realistic.  In this battle where the flesh just flows away we would be naive to think that there would be horses involved, like it seems to indicate in Revelation 14:20.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Human armies would use their latest high-tech equipment, weapons, armored vehicle, tanks, etc.  This series of scriptures is most likely speaking of a physical as well as a spirit battle, since in Zechariah 14:2, it mentions women.  As far as I know, there are no spirit women.

We just read a couple pages back that Christ’s army of angels ride on horses, and angels and demons do fight, Revelation 12:7.  Isaiah 14:19 seems to indicate that angels fight in hand to hand combat.  They do have blood or at least Pharaoh king of Egypt the great dragon does, Ezekiel 32:6.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Ezekiel 32:6 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.

So, is Revelation 14:20 describing angelic, demon armies in combat, shedding much blood?  After this day of the Lord it is accomplished.  The Bible seems to indicate that happens on a physical and angelic level as the millennium is ushered in.  Don’t forget it says in two places in Revelation, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen.”

Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

  1. Could the angelic world use a thousand years of peace?You bet they could.I think it is a good possibility that what we see physically in this world is just a sample of what is happening in the angelic world.  I don’t think God’s reaction would be much different than what we see him doing in many instances in the physical realm.  He has his own master plan and doesn’t seem to deviate from it.
  1. Is it realistic to think that there is any peace in the spirit world since Satan went bad? There has been no peace in the physical world since he influenced Adam and Eve to go bad. Remember that angels and humans are subject to sin.  The starting point of being created perfect versus imperfect has nothing to do with it.  If you start in imperfection as humans do, it is easier to sin at first.
  1. So, what about the Last Great Day?I touched on it earlier, but need to revisit it here.Was Isaiah 14:12-20 describing a one time insurrection and surprise attack or is this on going, just like wars are going on in the physical world. In Ezekiel 28:15-16, the first half of verse 16 seems to indicate to me that it is ongoing.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

In Isaiah 14:12 “weaken” is Strong’s #2522 meaning, “to prostrate, by impl. to overthrow… “   Verses 16-18 also make me think that this was and maybe still is an ongoing process, like many of the ideologies that had plans to conquer the physical earth went on for many years.  Communism is a good example.

Isaiah 14:18-20 makes it clear that there are dead angels in their graves because of all the warfare.  Isn’t it clear that there must be dead righteous angels killed by Satan who are included in the first resurrection?  Isn’t it almost certain that this was a surprised to the angel’s world?  Remember Satan created murder and he no doubt somewhere in the process created war and armies.

In Satan’s’ original attack in his effort to displace the Father, Isaiah 14:14, there had to be defenseless, unarmed, angels killed.  Satan’s efforts were not only directed at displacing the Father, but also at accumulating wealth, Ezekiel 28:16,18.

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

The ruthlessness that we see in some humans today is just a reflection of Satan and the demons in humans.  Hitler and the Jews for instance, the killing fields in Cambodia, etc.

In short, won’t there be angels who died without really proving themselves after being exposed to Satan?  Won’t these angels have to prove themselves to Christ and the Father?  Won’t they have to pass the test that they can conquer sin through Christ, just like we do?

I certainly think that the Last Great Day applies to the angelic world just as it applies to us.  They are subject to sin just like us.  If this struggle in the angelic world has been going on down through the ages, I think that most of the examples of human brutality that we see around us have already been set in the angelic world and humans are just imitating.

I don’t think there is much doubt that there are righteous angels who have already proven themselves, who have died in some of these angelic battles.  Aren’t they dead in Christ, just like Paul, Peter, John, etc., waiting on the first resurrection?

I also think it is a safe assumption that the whole angelic world could be considered as spirits in prison to some degree, imprisoned by Satan, just like the physical world is waiting on the great liberator Jesus Christ.

I would like to ask one more question.  Look at Revelation 6:9-11.  Are these spirits just human in origin or are these angelic being represented here?  I have to believe the latter.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

This paper could go on and on.  There is more to be covered on the angelic world from God’s word.  My next paper will be “Babylon is Fallen, is Fallen.”  I’m sure there will be much more to glean from God’s word about the human conditions as well as the angelic conditions in these two earth’s.

Today is November 30th, 2001, and the end time events march on in the physical realm as well as the angelic.  I stop this paper with just one question for you to think about, Revelation 20:10.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If everything we read applies physically and there is not a spirit or angelic counterpart, why is the Devil cast into a physical lake of fire?  Physical fire would not harm him.      

Published April, 2006

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